Exploring the World as a Diversity Speaker & Journalist

Jeannette Ceja is the founder of Jet Set with Jeannette, a place to engage in travel. Jeannette is a bilingual travel journalist, TV host, and global public speaker who speaks about diversity inclusion as a woman and Latina. In this episode, Jeannette chats with Captain Dan about her love of travel, her inspiration to transform the industry from a young age, and how she gives back to travel and non-profits. She is growing her business into a TV show, travel book and shares her love of logging miles and storytelling.

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Hey adventures. Welcome to the no ordinary adventurer podcast, a place we call home for adventure and the conversations you want to have. We bring you inspiration stories from the field and talk with adventure travelers and industry experts from around the world. This is the place to fill your heart and head with travel knowledge. Now, your host Dan Blanchard, a lifelong learner traveler and CEO of UnCruise Adventures, a small boat adventure company defining the UN in UnCruise. Let's get started. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Captain Dan's podcast, no ordinary adventure. And today, I am on with somebody I have grown to appreciate so much. She's an outstanding young woman that is really put her place into the travel industry. From jetset. I'd like to introduce Jeannette, how are you doing? Jeanette, thank you so much, Dan, I'm honored to be on your amazing podcast and to have another amazing conversation with you. I'm great, you know, two weeks until the new year and we are almost at 2021 Oh, pray pray, right. I'm very optimistic. I was a cheerleader in high school, which a lot of people say why are you so happy that you know, optimistic and always like, because I literally was a cheerleader in high school. So that's just the way I'm always looking for the silver lining. I knew there was a secret ingredient. Now I found it. Well, somehow that doesn't surprise me. You're full of energy and full of positive vibes. And I think that you know, during these times of COVID, which by the way to everyone listening, this is being taped on December 17. Just a day after our 25th year anniversary. 25 years in business from cruise. Congratulations. That is I was like 10 or 11. I think when we started right. Yeah, exactly. I was about one. Well, and you know, I think one thing I've learned about you is you are so well spoken. I love talking to you. But me as a as a journalist and a speaker, how in the heck did you get into this? Where did that all start from? I mean, now I'm wondering, were you speaking a lot when you were in chair? These are great questions, Dan. I would have to say, speaking goes ever since I was a young girl, I was glued to the TV. Initially, I thought I wanted to be a four News correspondent. So I thought I wanted to be like Christiane Amanpour, who is still doing the news to this day, just, it's amazing. I remember watching her doing all these international news stories and saying, I want to do that I want to do that. And then I would read a newspaper to my family at dinner, whoever would listen to me, I just realized communication was my biggest strength. Because it's like a bridge, I can be a messenger, and I can help people with information. So I love that aspect of the journalism side. But then I started to change the channel, literally. And I would watch the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, the Travel Channel, you know, all these amazing programs that started to teach me about the world and history and culture and language. And then my parents, they came to California in the 80s, from Mexico. And I was born in California, but they always instilled the Mexican culture and the Spanish language. So I grew up in a household where I honestly don't know what my first language was English or Spanish. My mom only speaks to me in Spanish to this day. But I love that. So I would be listening to English and Spanish programming, and I would be glued to Oprah and the Travel Channel. And everyone knows from the Travel Channel days, back in the day, you wouldn't ordain and cement the ground. And, and and, you know, some of the great hosts were there, I would be glued to them. But you know, Dan, I never saw anyone that really look like me on these shows. So that kind of compelled me to want to do more travel. And I really loved how they gave me hope and inspiration about the world. And the news is important. But of course we know the news will always tell us what's going wrong with the world, all this stuff. And I'm also an empath, super empathetic. So I realized after watching the news, I would I would go to bed and say, Oh, this was so horrible, and I would just be sad. But when I watched the travel shows, I would be so excited and I would you know, want to travel. How I realized at a really young age, I would say 789 I just started to study and watch and make notes about you know the world really like a sponge. I was like a sponge. And then I started to write to magazines. I wrote to Cosmo girl when Jennifer Lopez was on the cover and my mom's saved it. She's it's great about mom who literally hoards and saves everything is that she still has everything I've ever done. So I wrote to Cosmo girl, I remember saying, oh my gosh, thank you for having Jennifer lip is on there Latina. And they actually published it. And I was like, sorry, I realized, you know, that side of writing and even though it was a little blurb, it was amazing to see that. So that kind of transitioned to writing journals when I traveled to volunteering for our, you know, high school newspaper, then writing to my college newspaper, in Nashville. And then that's where I studied journalism. And these were the days like before social media. So that's a whole nother dynamic. But I remember they really made us learn the broadcast side, radio, online, news print, and I did a couple internships in the TV stations and newspapers, I went to multimedia boot camp it at the Museum in Washington, DC, they really instilled in us a lot of great training as a, as a journalist, as a multimedia journalist from a young age. So that's kind of where I got that side. And then I'm really grateful that the dean of journalism, he recently passed away. But he was my mentor, and my student advisor, he was a travel editor for the state newspaper. So he really believed in me and wanted to see me succeed in that way as merging travel and all all the media, how exciting. You know, I use some words that I just have to follow up on, first of all, multimedia boot camp, oh, my gosh, I hope they still have it. It just sounds like something I want to do. What was that all about? It was really exciting. So my mentor, who was the Dean of the journalism program, he asked me to, to apply for a scholarship for it's called chips, Quinn scholars, and they pick about 20 journalism students out of the country. And part of that is they give you a scholarship, and they send you to Washington, DC for multimedia boot camp. So it really was you have to write, edit, video, everything a story. And we we had to it was like a boot camp, we were like tested and, and we had 10 hour, you know, days of listening to other journalists in DC. And we had to do like, different kinds of stories. For example, like if it was a one person speaking where 20 Other media kind of like this day where you see one person speaking and 20, you know, media around them, how how to be professional in those circumstances, how just so many things I mean, the beautiful thing about what I've learned about journalism, it's it's such a great profession, but it has a lot of it really in depth. You give me the law, media ethics, you have writing, reporting, video editing, there's so many aspects to it, that I think that multimedia bootcamp really helped me a lot. Since a young age. I'm just telling you how I'd have known about that when my children were young, I would have got them there. I just think that's the coolest sounding thing. And the content is rich. I mean, good on your parents for, you know, encourage, you need to make that decision. And your good friend and I rang. I do have to ask something, though, about your childhood, you said you were seven or nine ish, someplace in there. And and you realize that, as you looked into these shows that there wasn't anybody that looked like you. Did you ever talk that over with your parents? Or was this just kind of an internal realization, it was an internal realization, but I kind of felt embarrassed to express it to anyone, like in a way where I didn't tell anyone for maybe 10 or 15 years. And I didn't really know, I didn't know who I could talk to about it in the way that I just internalized and said, Okay, well, maybe not for me. And that's kind of why my career I went into entertainment reporting, I worked in sports, because even though in my heart of all hearts, I wanted to do it. I didn't see really many people and it just looked too hard. It looked too unstable. And I just want the easy I mean, easy route, the stable route, right the route where I just knew that I could just work right away and just do this and that was the big dream, but it was it was so scary. So I just kept it to myself and And honestly, I was just afraid to talk about it because who's gonna listen to me? Right and, and if there was a woman, which I love and adore Samantha Brown interviewed her before I told her how much she's inspired me as a as a, as a woman. And she's still doing shows today, which is so amazing. But I still feel in 2020 moving to 2021, we definitely need a Latina or Latino in that, you know, in that way as a host from top down to to represent for other young girls, you know, I have young nieces, you know, that. Whatever they want to do, they can see Yeah, you know, there's someone doing it, because because for me, there wasn't, there wasn't a way and if it was a woman, it was great. But now we want to Latina woman, for example, or Latino, well, you have my vote, I will vote, I will vote for you given the opportunity. If that I can't, I don't want to dwell on this forever, but it's not really dwelling, it's sharing in the joy here. I can't help but think and I'm thinking back to your childhood as a young woman and recognizing that not only are there not a lot of women, but there are not any women that look like you when you're looking on the TV much. And I can't help but think about DACA. And I just want to say I am so happy that it looks like we're going to have positive change. They're a very personal story, one of the the folks that I work with his children in the same situation, who were younger. And it's been a real challenge. And they're like my own kids, to me, kind of made to get a little emotional even talking about it. And the day that we get doc back. Oh, dear Lord, I'm waiting. That's so beautiful, Dan, because I, you know, I feel the same way. I mean, I have a cousin who's a dreamer. And it's also very personal. And over a year ago, I did an interview actually, in Nashville with a former actor from Vanderbilt, who saw the need for you know, daca and dreamers who were here, and they were studying and they wanted to study and I wanted to have a career. And sometimes they didn't have, you know, the same scholarship opportunities for college. So he created a nonprofit called equal chance for education. And I interviewed him a year ago in Nashville, and he shared his his personal story, but, you know, his story was his, one of his employees. Sons was going to go to college, but didn't have, you know, the same scholarship opportunities and because of his situation, and it, it hurt. It hurt him so much, though, and it affected him that he said, you know, we got to do something about it. And he created a scholarship fund here in Tennessee, and it's called equal chance for education. And I love that and I love and I feel the same way. There's so many, you know, 2020 2021, I have so much hope for this diversity, inclusion movement that is happening and has just become more awoken and aware, in 20. And I feel that it's just, it's just time, you know, no matter, you know, what gender, what race, what ethnicity, you know, I think it's time for everyone to feel included and invited to the table and have opportunities. So it's, it's yeah, it's exciting times now gone into not just one election session, but two that I'm voting for you. So run for office or do something, you got my vote twice now. Thank you, dad. Gosh, it's great to have your book your boats. And yeah, it just, it just ties into everything. My whole purpose. You know, people ask me, you know, my purpose, my purpose in travel is essentially to unite humanity, which sounds very general. But it's so true. Because in my own personal experience, I have found that travel has a way to unite people, open our minds. And as much as we may look different, sound different. We are all human beings. And we all want the same things. Fundamentally, we want to be appreciated, we want to be loved, we want to be seen, we want to be heard. We want to do what we love and whatever that looks like. But, you know, right before the pandemic started, I went to Egypt in in March, and I spoke at this conference at the woman Economic Forum and my speech was on reimagining diversity and culture. And I spoke about this to you know, hundreds of women from all over the world and it's just one of my my purposes is as a woman I Latina and all that but just you know, just to be a stronger voice to to The world and an example that yes, you can. And, and I don't know, it's just something that I feel so so passionately about. Well, it's a good thing to be passionate about of all the things that we can get involved in in life, there's very few things that I believe make long term change. And I believe that travel and diversity bring about that long term change. And then one exciting thing that I'm working on this, my travel show, so I have maybe mentioned this before. But over a year ago, I have been working on a treatment for this show. And I started to put feelers out there and get meetings. And just a week ago, I met with a producer in a production company. And one way or the other, this show will happen, I'm very certain, because it's been over 10 years of a dream that I just one, maybe it was a timing thing, I feel more ready now than ever and to it's, it's, it's a show that isn't really like out there that I believe and that it may be needed. And it's exciting. So that's hopefully one of the things that will happen. So will you keep the jet set title? Or do you have a new title for this this wonderful TV show? It's a great question. It's still all in the making, of course, it's still TBD, to be determined. But yeah, but I definitely foresee that, you know, whether I'm the host or the producer, or both, as long as we get, you know, more of this kind of content out there on a global scale. And you know, people who know me know, I always think big and bigger. So I am thinking international, global, I mean, I want to do a TED Talk in English and Spanish. And I'm currently five months in taking French courses. Because I want to be trilingual, and I want to do, I want to do more in French. And I would love to see that I have to believe I don't know where this data is out. But I have to believe there is data about when communities are brought together. When people from around the globe sit in sup with each other, there's got to be positive results from that. Wars, tensions, all this kind of thing. So, you know, I think you and I are on the same page with that, that we can better our world through travel, and have a fun time at same time, which is lovely. Well, how has this been, you know, for you during this transformation from COVID? Obviously, we're not talking face to face. How has that been for you as a speaker because I that had to be a pretty dramatic change and how life is viewed for you. It's been a really difficult transition. Interesting, because I love people as you can probably tell, I love people being in a room with people the energy. I just love meeting people. Meeting people face to face I love you know, after speaking at conferences, I love the opportunity to speak with people one on one. I think, you know, like many of us had to pivot. I've spoken a lot virtually I've done I've moderated panels, virtually, I've moderated panels where the panelists were literally on every side of the world. Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Spain. Yeah, I had to like I've had to pivot in so many ways. And also I haven't traveled I mean, March. You know, Egypt was the last international trip. And another thing that I've been to Nashville between Nashville and California, Nashville, my other home where my family lives in California, you know, my other home, but yeah, it's been it's been, it's been, like so many people a roller coaster in the way that, you know, travels my purpose professionally and personally, and it's my love and, and I also feel for our industry. And, you know, my travel friends and colleagues and family all over the world. You know, we have been like many other sectors, but the Travel and Tourism has been one of the hardest hits. And it's something that I have never experienced in my life, something like, you know, being in a pandemic, and then dealing with this. So it's been quite a roller coaster. And I will say from March to May, I was super depressed. I was just at my apartment in LA just trying to cope and understand and be supportive of everyone but just trying to understand myself. It was really difficult. But I will say, Dan, I'm so grateful for my health for my family. At the end of the day, that's what matters right now the most to me is that everyone's healthy. No kidding. I am a believer and I think you are to that we're probably going to come out of this for a long time altered and maybe for the rest of our lives just like my grandparents were from the depression right? And I'm hoping that that somehow the the simpler, deeper valleys of travel, if I can use that as a bit of a pun, that deep valley, the depth and breadth of what we do and travel, I hope is really becomes more important that we're not just checking the list. Which brings up a question. Yeah. Well, you know, you and I both love to travel. And, you know, I have my places that I'm jonesing for. I was, like you I was traveling in February, I was down in Antarctica and Patagonia and having a wonderful time, you know, on the personal side, what are you jonesing for and travel? What's the what's the place you want to go? That's just like pulling on your heartstrings, here? Well, I'll be honest with you, Alaska, actually put Alaska on my vision board. Excuse me, Alaska. Hey, I know somebody who can help you with that. And it's so true. I actually have Alaska on my vision board, which vision boards I do every year, it's the whole thing. I love vision boards. I do vision boards for travel, too, because travel is a mindset. And I love to help people like with that. Because, you know, people when they think travel, they're like, Oh, it's too expensive. It's too far. It's too too. They have their, you know, beliefs on it. But I like to help people think okay, sure. But, you know, let yourself imagine let yourself dream, let yourself know what's out there. So I had Alaska on my vision board. I also had Kenya, South Africa. I've never been to Iceland. I mean, there's so many places that I still want to go. I want to go back to France, because I feel like I'll live there one day as part of the plan. But gosh, there's so many amazing places in Morocco. I want to go back to Mexico to visit family out there. I would love to go to Antarctica. Antarctica would be amazing. Actually, that is ultimate bucket list. You know, it's a it's a wonderful place. But I will tell you, just because I'm an Alaska boy through and through Alaska will blow your socks off. And I'm telling you blow your socks off. And when you come, you're going to call me and you're going to say Dan, I'm free. And Megan and I are going to get you all set up and is going to be the time of your life. I can guarantee you. Absolutely. I can't wait. Yeah. Okay. So don't be forgetting that. That. Captain Dan's Alaska. That's my Facebook page. Okay, that's how serious I am about Alaska. Yeah, I love that. And I, if I had my vision board, I would literally show you that I don't have it with me. But yeah, no, it's so true. I mean, less than Alaska is like that gym that everybody in that even in the states always talks about. And my mom for years has been talking about it. And it's just like, why did it why did we wait so long? You just put a hitch out your door and drag mom up with? Yeah, and we'll get we'll get that happening? It will be good. Well, with that, I mean, when you when you kind of think towards the restart of travel. And and you know, obviously you and I have had to make our few trips during COVID. But it's been very constrained. But if if you were to, you know, say hey, travel industry, you're speaking to everyone in the travel industry. Hey, travel industry. We're back in business. We're back and running. And this is my message to you. But would that be? Dad? That's a good question. You're a visionary girl, I need it. I need this travel in his life. Travel is his humanity, unity, we need travel more than ever. I mean, once things get better and settle down. But I believe that, you know, coming out of this, in the recovery, we're all going to want to travel more than ever. I've never been this landlocked before. And and I feel like a lot of people have that similar feeling like, we appreciate travel, also more than ever, the things that we have maybe taken for granted, like, you know, before pre COVID, post COVID. You know, we won't take that for granted. I don't think so anymore. I mean, and travel, to me helps. It's a win win for everyone. It helps local economies, small business owners. It helps it helps, you know, national economies, international economies, but most importantly, it helps the individual traveler. I feel like it helps the individual traveler, understand more of our world and understand more of him or herself because every time I've ever traveled, whether it's like within the US or internationally, I come back home, a more open minded person, a more grateful person. And I think you know, once you've been bitten by that travel You know, love, or you know, the hunger for travel, I don't think it ever goes away, I think you just want more, you want to learn more about this world, because it's so it's so beautiful. And it's so big and amazing. And I just I love going to a country where I don't know anything or anyone or a state where I don't know anything or anyone actually thrive on that. And a lot of people are telling, like, they're afraid of that, but I love it. I love being out of my comfort zone. I love it because it forces me to grow. And I think travel does that. And I think as an industry, you know, we're not just looking at why we travel or how we travel, we're looking much deeper. And I feel like, you know, going through this on a global scale. I feel like we're more united in a way. Yes, yes. I agree. That's very much so. I was I think about it. You know, I think of all the things you said which by the way, thanks for such a great answer. I didn't prep you with that question at all for the for the listenership here. I just threw that one at you. A hardball out there. No, but you know what, it came from the heart. And listen, I am always up for that, like I, I speak from the heart. So just comes out? Well, I you know, I can I hope that the that the returned to travel is an is a continuation of what's been happening in a sense of, you know, a travel that's more meaningful travel with regenitive travel, that sustainable travel that is slower, perhaps and just in its pace I and I and that's all the messages you just sent to which I like and unify. So, you know, you've talked about your TV show coming up, which I want to hear about that more when the time is. Yep. When the time is right. Is there you know, is you're looking at other projects that you're working on, because we're starting to see the end of I want to say we're seeing the end, I know, it's still six 810 months a year away. But I am having vision and hope that I didn't have in July. And as you're looking at that, what how is that going to change your business life? Do you have other things besides a really rockin TV show that you're talking about producing? And starring in? I might add, but do you have other things on the list? Yeah, so I've already signed up for a couple of writing, for example, I do a lot of writing, that's one of the things I can do still remotely is writing, I have been thinking in my head about a book, which would be you know, travel, but it would be self development as well. I feel that self development personally has helped me and I have gone through therapy coaching, you name it, to help me be my best version of myself, which I think mindset is is equally as important as skill set to be successful. And I have mentors and I have invested so much time and money in classes and courses and to better my mindset and skill set. So some of the projects I'm working on are writing assignments, I am you know, also travel advising, so I do travel advising, and it's been really growing, especially within the Hispanic community, I feel really grateful for that, just in any way communication wise that I can use my skills hosting. I also do moderate other conferences where people want me to do that. Of course, it's virtual now, but just using my other skill sets, to to be of service and to help, especially during this time when I'm not traveling. But a lot of it has been like writing as well. So and advising and things of that nature. So that's wonderful. I'm glad you've been able to keep that out. Well done. First, I want to say I am so grateful to that our paths crossed. And I want to acknowledge what you do and how you contribute to our travel community. Because Dan is so well recognized within travel colleagues, you know, you do panels, you do things that also give back to our community. So I also want to take the time technology. Well, Virtual hugs. One thing I want the listeners to know that you are definitely a leader and a trailblazer in our industry and your stories. When I interview you were phenomenal. And I don't know if you've written a book, but I think if you haven't, there's a book and you I think I mentioned it to you once Yep. So I still feel like you have a book in you which you definitely should write one day I would read it, you know, as we move forward. Just know better times are to come. I'm very optimistic and hope For I'm realistic as well. But in the interim, what we can do is continue to work on ourselves as individuals. Because I think that the better versions of ourselves we become, the better we can give to the world. Now's the time. That's good stuff. You're obviously known as a diversity speaker and and even a writer, you know, so what what are the tools that that maybe you can pass to others to help spread this good change that is that is coming about? Sure. It's a great question. Well, I'm also heavily involved with a non a lot of nonprofits and a global ambassador. One of them that I've been with for over a year is traveling unity, which is an amazing nonprofit. I first met Ronnie who is the Executive Director at the United Nations a couple years ago, when he and I were putting a group together after a travel conference, and he was telling me about travel unity, and, and he invited me one year to speak, and I spoke, and you know, I loved even years ago, I loved how they were pushing for more diversity, inclusion and equity. And and they really also besides racial and ethnic diversity and gender diversity, they talked about people with disabilities, because I think that's another side of travel that people may not really realize is what about the people with physical disabilities? How can they travel, you know, let's make it more inclusive for them. So travel unity.org is a great nonprofit that helps with that purpose. I'm their vice president of media. So I'm, I work with the media, I do all that for them. And again, for me, that is all purpose. Like, it's all what I love, right. And then I also am the global ambassador for synergy of empowered women, which is a nonprofit that helps women entrepreneurs, and small business owners, and then also the free wheelchair mission, which is a nonprofit, that provides wheelchairs to people in developing countries. And I've been with all of them for almost two or three years. And again, it's all pro bono, they don't pay me it's all because I believe in their missions and purpose. And dedicate my time to to that. And that's what I that's what I love to do. And I love to invest my time into purposes that really make a difference. So I would say all of those nonprofits, I really, really love and believe in Well, that's a really strong statement, when you know, you're there volunteering that time can get out here and speak about it and share the love of what they're doing. That's huge. I particularly entered stood in the synergy group with women, mainly because I have a personal story here for a moment, my daughter is agreed to take a position here at our company, she's been a captain for many years. And, and but she's kind of at this place where she has all the skill set that a lot of times like, women oftentimes feel like they're not quite qualified for a job yet where men will just jump in. And so it's been really interesting for me to get her connected with groups like that to, to have other women that she can share with and talk about. Absolutely. And anytime you want to connect her with me honestly, like, share my information, I would love to talk to your daughter, because when she's that's she's so badass, that's amazing. Powering and, and there's Yes, I've been heavily involved with other women organizations like the World woman Summit, you know, take the lead women. These are amazing organizations that help empower women, so I would be happy to help and connect her in any way. And if you bring up another great point, Dan, it's like being a woman in this industry. It's something much myself I've experienced where I have had, you know, not so great experiences in the sense where I was told I can't have both like, I can't work and travel, and have a family and get married. And I'm 34 Believe it or not, I'll be 35 next year. You know, my personal situation. I'm single, no kids never married. But in my Mexican culture, when I go back to Mexico, my family doesn't understand. They think my time is running out, you know, all this stuff. But you know, when I travel and people learn that they go, Well, what are you going to choose? You're going to choose a career or family and go but why do I have to choose? And I had one man tell me after I spoke at a conference, he said, because you're a woman. And I'll never forget when he told me that that literally just it broke my heart because just based on my gender, I can't have a dream and a family and, and a career, especially when travel you're required to travel. So there's so many outdated beliefs out there, that I really feel strongly about women, especially in travel and tourism, that you know, we help empower each other and and just break all these outdated beliefs that exist well and then when you come your way to Alaska with your mom, you probably be on her boat. So there you go. I love that. That would be amazing. Yeah, this has been a really good, it's so good to see you again. Good to hear. So I every time we have a conversation i i leave just feeling encouraged with lots of hope. And if that's the one thing you have as a feather in your cap, you're winning girl. So what? How can people help you out? How can they contact you? How can they ask you to come and speak and write and all those kinds of things? How do they get a hold of you? Of course. Thank you. So they can contact me my website is Ww w. Jet Set with Jeanette comm two ends. And my social media is Instagram at chat with Jeanette. You can pretty much find me online and my email is travel at chat which net.com. So yeah, I love to just, you know, help people I speak in colleges with students. I have mentees. I have mentors. I was just on the phone earlier today with schools in Seattle want me to virtually read to their schools, books, you know, things like that. I mean, I just love to give back. That's one of my faves, especially to the youth and an up and coming people who want to be in, you know, in our industry. Well, I continue to watch and follow and look forward to more good stuff as time goes on. And expect a call from Janae. And until we chat again, I just wish you the very best. I'll tell you that we're starting to book really rapidly. We're getting that the markets changing and it's starting to turn around. So maybe there's there's hope to have hope has actually just turned into pure hope. Yes, it's exciting. Let's say I feel very optimistic. And I And I'm saying as I feel like we're starting to turn the tide slowly moving into the new year. You know, things are very optimistic. And I hope the next time we see each other, we'll be in Alaska. Okay, you're on. Well, everybody. Thanks for joining me, Jeanette. Thank you. Thank you for joining me again. Thank you for having me on. I'm so excited. I'll wish you good. Good fortune. Bye bye. Thanks for listening to no ordinary adventure sharing locally harvested stories about adventure. Be sure to subscribe, leave a review tell a friend and help spread the word. We are a community of nature lovers, intrepid travelers and outdoor adventurers mostly from the comfort of a small boat and we want to spread our love of this fascinating planet. That's it for this episode. Now get outside