No Ordinary Adventure

Spark a Rebellion by Finding Your Why in Travel with Ryan Hodgson

August 10, 2022 Ryan Hodgson Season 1 Episode 25
No Ordinary Adventure
Spark a Rebellion by Finding Your Why in Travel with Ryan Hodgson
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In this end-of-summer episode, Captain Dan catches up with a local Seattleite, Ryan Hodgson originally from the opposite side of the world in Perth, Australia. That's right, another adventure-loving Aussie on the roster! Ryan offers in-depth and motivational input on creating your why. Listen and learn about launching a transformative business to solo, group, family, and business travel and inspiring others to travel with passion and purpose.  We dive into overlapping stories, chances, and choosing fearless freedom throughout the various stages of life.

Whether your next stop is starting a new venture or logging your 100th nomadic exploration, there's nothing like a well-told travel story and motivation to explore the world. If you've ever fantasized about changing up your 9-5 or enjoy hearing behind-the-scenes, boots-on-the-ground real talk, you'll probably want to listen to this podcast. Get out there and hit up some of those less touristy spaces following our UnTourism-themed values and explore what your why is! 

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Hey adventures. Welcome to the no ordinary adventurer podcast, a place we call home for adventure and the conversations you want to have. We bring you inspiration stories from the field and talk with adventure travelers and industry experts from around the world. This is the place to fill your heart and head with tribal knowledge. Now, your host Dan Blanchard, a lifelong Mariner traveler and CEO of UnCruise Adventures, a small boat adventure company defining the icon in UnCruise. Let's get started. Well, welcome everybody. This is Captain Dan Blanchard, the owner and CEO of UnCruise Adventures. And I am so excited to have you on board. No ordinary adventure today, my podcast because I've got a friend who lives in Seattle these days, originally from Perth, Australia, and a guy that I've just not only sailed with, but in fact, we were just talking about how Megan, my wife actually knew of Ryan before I did and was an ardent follower, and just happened to be that when he came up to take the boat with us one year last year, that she met this guy that she'd been following for so long. So I mean, how does you know these quick readings of wife just come in? So anyway, with with nothing further to say, I want to introduce Ryan in the US. And in Ryan, I think we need to make a song out of that. Yeah, I'm down with it. Absolutely. When we, when we publish this song, this is gonna be a public thing. Or just us. It may be my next trip to Seattle, and it may be in a pub someplace. We'll see how it comes out. But I think we should do it. Yeah, down. Totally down. Thanks for having me on board. Appreciate it. It's great to chat with you again, my friend. Indeed, it's been just over a year since we last sailed on the boat together in Alaska. And I learned a lot about you, and not only you as a person, but just your great skill at putting together videos and shows and editing and all this kind of thing. It was really, really great. And I'm happy to have you on the podcast. I'm really happy to be here. It was. I think last year that was definitely one of my travel highlights to be on the boat with you guys. Yeah, well, you know, boats in Alaska kind of go together. We don't know the road. So it's a great way to get out there and really experience it. But I I think for those of my guests that are on the podcast here that that don't know of you, I mean, you've managed to really carve out I think a wonderful niche in the in the marketplace for not only what you're doing and you know, supporting nonprofits and this type of thing. But I think bringing kind of this experiential life to light and for so many people, but I thought maybe it'd be good we just start out by you, you know, kind of Sharon, who Ryan is why, who how where, I guess as it pertains to travel, I grew up in Perth, Western Australia, which is, as you know, one of the most isolated cities in the world, I think it's the most isolated capital city in the world. In a state, Western Australia, which is two and a half times the size of Texas. So it's, it's big. And so I never been on a plane aeroplane until I think my first plane I was 15. And I was a state volleyball player and I, my first five or six trips outside of the state, we're all on volleyball trips. Never have I ever travel with my parents on a plane, which is crazy. But the reason for that is because I grew up exploring the four corners of Western Australia, which is, in my mind, equal in some ways, at least to how I feel when I'm in Alaska. It's very, a massive, remote, desolate, intriguing, beautiful country getting the opportunity to go out there with my family, we had a little caravan and we explored and traveled and panning for gold and swimming beautiful, gorgeous and grew up with this great sense of adventure. And overlanding before it was a thing that just instilled in myself and my sister who's a researcher and has traveled all the continents and does amazing work as well. She and I grew up with a sense of adventure and a sense of wanting to explore the world. And that's resonated to the point where you know, I've spent a good portion of the last five or six years traveling and and sharing my experiences with people but I've been traveling all my life is now just putting a camera on it and trying to make it as human as possible so that it's not sort of fully polished and squeaky clean but it's real and it's it shows the ups and downs of travel as well as the the destination but also the journey to get there. I didn't know the story about you know, bit growing up in Perth and not traveling outside at for a while and then it's just like it expired. overdid, it seemed like, well, it's so isolated that we would just drive everywhere, right? So when I got to a point where I could get on a plane, you the, it's four hours minimum to anywhere, anywhere where you can fly. So when you go you go, so turned, it was a 21. And I jumped on a plane, like finished college and, and I flew, flew to Paris and I backpacked around the world for about eight months by myself. Because when you go, you might as well go, so there's wonderful culture in Australia or taking a leap here, either before college or after college, to embrace the trout, you know, when you you live so far away from the rest of the world, we just go for a year or, or some portion of the, and explore the world, which is why when you go out and about you are going to run into Australians wherever you go, because it's, it's an international customer of ours to do to travel. And when we travel, we travel big, and we travel for long periods of time. So it's, it's a part of my country that I love, actually, is that that sense of adventure that sort of in its, it's bred into us, which is because we're so far away, it's become part of our customer. It's awesome. Yeah, it's really true. And I will say when when Aziz come aboard our boats, which, you know, just started here recently, you know, shut down for the last few years. But now that we have the Aziz back, it's like, it's like lighting the fire. That you you have a, you have a strong and and boisterous group that that travels with you, I must say, and I mean that in every good way. So. So tell me, I mean, you kind of had this broad array of not only travel, but the the influencing side of that, I would say, you know, I personally am really drawn to what you do with nonprofits and that kind of thing, just because that's not my world. And I really love and appreciate that. But how do you go through? I mean, what's it? How do you sit there with all these kind of big, I would say, lofty, wonderful things that you're doing like with the nonprofits and this kind of thing, and get your travels in on what's a day look like and prioritizing all this? Yeah, it you have to be very intentional about it. I mean, the nonprofit work started many years ago, altruistically, just wanting to help, you know, I think I moved to Seattle in 2008. And it was right when the recession then was starting, it was a little bit delayed in Seattle, because of the business we have here. I think it sort of hit more in 2009. And I was helping with some businesses and nonprofits, and seeing how much pain they're going through. So I started an initiative back then that really got me involved in philanthropy and, and really enjoyed it. And so fast forward to now I've learned that there are, there's a balance of things that I really enjoy when it comes to getting the most out of life. And philanthropy is definitely on that, you know, the shortlist of the big buckets, though, I want to be giving energy to travelers another and then I actually also have my own business on top of that. So having my own business allows me to have the flexibility to accommodate sort of enjoying those different buckets of focus. So there's sort of fairly evenly spread out between philanthropy, travel, and working. But I'm fortunate enough to get me in a place where the working allows me to spend 2020 30 hours a week and still be able to, you know, enjoy life, financially. So it's, it's, I'm in a lucky position, but also I've worked my tail off to get here. So, but I'm grateful for it for sure. As a small business guy, myself, if I were to ask you, if you had starting on Monday, of next week, if you had two weeks that regardless of commitments, and all this kind of stuff, what would you be doing on Monday, starting next Monday for two weeks, if every if all the responsibilities were withdrawn, I would be traveling. That's the and you know, if I had two or three weeks, or maybe longer, I mean, one of my goals is actually to I've got a Toyota, I've done it up, I've got the rooftop tent in the mornings, and it's all raised and so forth. So my goal is actually to drive past you and keep going north and hit the end of the road up at the top of the top of Alaska. So that is one of my life goals is to Overland Arctic into the Arctic Circle, I should say. Well, it's a wonderful trip. I haven't driven all of it. That would be a trip for me. But I have drove driven the Alcan and I can say it's a it's a it's a pretty good adventure for particularly on the kind of rig you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. I love doing that stuff. I was just down in Utah. A month and a half ago, we drove down from Seattle. All three, three trucks, some buddies and I, five of us and three trucks and we did some for driving through Canyon lands. And it was just those road trips as overlanding trips that encompass a sense of team wonder and or of where we're at. And that sense of adventure of being reliant on your own devices and being able to sort out problems and fix problems and the pre planning that goes into food planning and having all the right gear. And I love it, just love it. So for me, if I had that two weeks, that's probably where I'd be headed. I'd be headed somewhere on a on a road trip. Or very differently to that place, I want to head back to Europe, because I haven't spent quality time which is so very different to the travel that I've been doing for a long time. But it's an area that I enjoyed when, as I said my way around the world trip and I want to get back there and see it as a full nearly 48 year old so well, that would be a good one and a 48 year old with an 11 year old this time. Yeah, well, she Yeah, she's been she she went with a mom a couple of years ago, she went to London and Paris and had a great time. Now this is I think I would I want to take her to Africa. I've got well, you know, once you travel, I want you to explore. The list just never ends. Right? So Amen to that. Brother. There's always a place or two or three or 10. Yeah, or 100. Yeah, yeah. So it's a bit crazy. But there's always something there's always multiple plans just sort of percolating and then it's just like, pull off the right, the right one off the shelf shelf when the right circumstances align. So, you know, there's always three or four trips that I'm just sitting on ready to pull the trigger on when the time's right. I hear you, I hear you. Well, what you know, is we're talking about, you know, travel and that was a good segue to get back on that. You know, you're you work as a travel influencer. That's part of what you do. Very effective at that. Maybe describe really, what is a travel influencer? What is a real traveling, influencer do it's interesting, because I'm an old travel influencer, I think, you as compared to that sort of typical younger, beautiful human running around taking selfies and stuff. That's not my angle, right. So but at the same time, I guess my understanding of influencer marketing as it pertains to how, you know, what is serving as a function of influencer marketing is, my job is to connect brands that I feel an affinity towards, and trust with the people that have chosen to follow my travels. And the key part there is that I, you know, over time, I've organically driven, driven or grown, the people who follow me, and so what I'm aware of, and when I look for influencers, when I'm running a program myself, for a client, for example, is reaching the number of followers but also an engagement level, just to sustain the fact that to prove the fact that they actually have influence and resonance over the audience that they have built, and that they haven't just bought followers or, you know, use different mechanisms. So for me, it is about building a, an audience that's connected with the content that I'm creating. And actually, I always get in trouble because you can only follow seven and a half 1000 people on Instagram, for example, which is dumb. And so, to me, when someone follows me and their contents kind of cool, I'm like, I you know, that's to me, let's they're putting their hand out and to shake my hand and I want to shake it back and be like, Yeah, I want to follow you want to connect, you know, social media is all about connecting. And I think what happens with a lot of these kids is they like, they just want to drive the numbers, they want to follow like 45 people and have 20 million follow followers. And I'm like, That's not to me, the aim of the game at all, the aim of the game for me, I wish I could follow everyone back. I appreciate the people that follow and engage typically the ones that will comment on my posts, and I actually comment or reply back to 99.9% of the people who comment on my posts because it is a social engagement. I've been in social media a long time and I'm very committed to and grateful to the people that follow and allow me to have the opportunity therefore, to go on, you know, adventures with people like yourself and get to know I mean, crazy. It's incredibly privileged life. Even if you're doing it part time, like I am, and it's an it's a gift, so I really appreciate the folks and I wish I could talk to them all. I try my best to I get sucked into spending a lot of time on social media, which is a little bit of a devil's you know, that's a double edged sword. But it is not what people think it is. So I think you know, it's like, get a bunch of ball, I was going to pretty big pitches laughs really sweet. It's hard work. It's hard work. Like, I won't say which country I went to a country with a client. I don't even know her when I tell you, I spent a week in this client in this country. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, I could not tell people if someone said, Where did you go, I can name two places, I went out of maybe 20. That really resonated, I loved all of them. But for some reason, those pieces stuck in my mind. But we were moving so fast, and we're out. But you know, from drone shooting at dawn and an evening, when the sunset, shooting all day and editing all night, it was like, it's not the sort of glamorous lifestyle that people think, you know, you don't really get to enjoy your surroundings because you're working, you're representing your brand. And you're, you're wanting to capture the best. That's a long answer to a short question, my friend, I'm sorry about that. But that was like one of those questions that you get asked, and you kind of want to be real about it? Well, I've always found that their best answers are not yes or no. Or maybe it's it's the detail that makes the difference. So thank you for sharing that. I think, you know, when I think about, as you were saying the you know, the idea of an influencer is oftentimes a 20, something that seems just more interested in getting hits and followers. It is, it does kind of put a different slant on, on what we, you know, would consider quality programming and maybe even quality capture this kind of thing. That brings up a question. I mean, you know, when you look at it, you know, the travel industry, you know, in 2020, even 21, it was your very day kind of came together under this, you know, we're all in this mess together kind of thing. How are we going to get out of this? How can we work together to get things solved? And now is we're entering what I will call the stage between pandemic and endemic someplace, and where it's, it's kind of starting to take on a lot of the features of maybe pre COVID, in that it's kind of one, one person and one company in one country, not so much together anymore. But But back on our own. I mean, how are you seeing that change and kind of travel behavior? Yeah, it's interesting, because you're right, the community, the travel community came together really beautifully. And there was, there was a sort of a, I guess, common, I mean, you're everyone's hit so hard wired, right, and their lives have changed for that period of time. But of course, when those travel restrictions are lifted, it's it's a land grab for for market share, essentially, right? So it is, it is a situation where everyone's wanting to get in there and remind people of their destination on their experience, or whatever they're providing in the tourism realm. So that, you know, as people start to get back out there, that top of mind, and they're choosing those products or services to spend their money and their time enjoying. And so it's very, very competitive space. And I imagine for many companies and UPL, would speak to this better than me, because you're an owner of a business in the space. But is, you know, that it was probably pretty tough for a lot of businesses in the tourism, travel space, when you couldn't operate and join and keep the lights on. And then you've got, you know, expensive boats to house and look after and, and cruise to try and navigate in terms of keeping them on board or working out how they're going to make a living. And, and I know that means a lot to you, because we've spoken about that in terms of your crew. And so, you know, that's, that's, that's hard. And I imagine there's not only one but a need for many companies to get that market share and to get back on track as quickly as possible to sustain their business. It's still somewhat limited, you know, in terms of what you can do. So it would be nice if everyone was still sort of teaming up, in a sense, but yeah, I think the reality of capitalist capitalism, you know, is what it is, you know, its competitive environment. Yeah, it's, that's really true. And, you know, I thought about, you know, went back in the height of this, I was I chaired a group of small ship companies that were all independent companies, and we came together as a coalition and got some legislation done in this kind of thing. And now we're all splintered and we don't talk to each other anymore. And although I do find and maybe this resonates with you, I think that when you have an owner operator, or a privately held small company compared to a, you know, big private equity firm or a Wall Street firm, those companies I'm still really tight with If, which is great to say, I think there's a human element in all this to mean, I'd love to think, and I'd love to hear that. And I'd love to think that that there has been a benefit from the experience that at some level, those smaller operators can see each other as just another guy trying to another guy or gal trying to make a living. And we can all live in the space and be in a space and be productive and successful. Obviously, it's more difficult to connect with those bigger entities. But there's hope there's more people than not who feel like at least at that small business level that they've got network of supporters there instead of, you know, straight up competitors. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So maybe just another question on on, I'm now getting into Ryan's crystal ball. I mean, as you're looking at, what do you think, from your experience with the travel industry? Do you see certain trends that you think you're going to be either different? Or? Or maybe it's, maybe we're just going to return back to the way it was, but have you seen any trends in the way that travel behavior has changed for for visitors and such, so I just got back from Australia, and I was actually went on a whale watching trip and did some touristy type things, while I was back home, visiting family and ultimately, humans, the people who love to travel are going to travel. Like I've always, I just did a, I think, a post a few days ago, where I, I outlined where I'd been over the last few months, you know, I think it's six dates to countries. You know, I've been out there again, and it's, and it's bloody brilliant, you know, vigor. ated, by that opportunity. I know, it's so freakin awesome. So, I'm so excited to be like to have had a post where I'm like, Hey, guys, haven't spoken for a minute, I've been to all these places done all these things. There was work travel, there was personal travel, there was, you know, all sorts of different kinds of travel, which was really interesting to even just to realize myself that you know, because sometimes you just do stuff and, and, you know, we've got this habit of, I've got 46 years of habit of traveling or something like that, and then the last few years of kind of not, so it was really a nice moment to be, I actually feel like people are studying, you know, the airports are fall, people are starting to go back to travel. This is manually about rules and regulations. But if things stay the way they are, I feel like that'll just continue to flow. And we'll just accept the realities, that we might get exposed to a different type of virus that, you know, is now hopefully not as dangerous as it once was. And so the value proposition of deciding whether we should or shouldn't go is much more in the travelers favor, which I think is, is awesome. Although, you know, many also think that we gave the opportunity for the Earth to breathe a little bit in some places where, though, you know, it didn't get tourism, all the travel that at once got but you know, and then just to continue that thought that National Parks got overwhelmed with people in America. So hopefully, that dies down a little bit as we spread out, again, across all of the tourism and travel places around the world. Amen to that. You're never gonna want me on the podcast again, because I just talk all the time. Oh, no, you hit it right on man. You know, when you talk about the national parks in the United States, I mean, they, if they were particularly in the continental United States, they were rocking last year and even state parks and BLM land and all this kind of thing. A buddy of mine bought a little moped business in the San Juan's in March of 2020. And he was just like, oh my gosh, it's gonna fall apart. The world's gonna come to an end. 35 years that business has been in place and they busted the rec sales records by huge amounts in the last two years, because everybody was home. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, local travel. And it's very interesting looking in Australia, because they couldn't tell without their states and their country in the country. So places local to the local three hour, four hour away, or two and a half to three, four hour away. places were just jammed the whole time because they couldn't go. Australians couldn't go to Bali. They couldn't go to the East Coast. They called people in Perth where I was. So they, they traveled but they traveled locally. Well shifting a little bit, you know, into your business. And you talked about that a little bit earlier. But, you know, as you look at your business, you know, there's all and I belong to a group up in Alaska called path to prosperity that kind of helps coach people into business because we typically we all have a great skill but that doesn't mean necessarily that were great small business people. And when you went in and started your own business, you're the owner and all this kind of thing. I mean, how did you do you have like super influential people that kind of showed you the ropes there? How do you haven't you really go from being kind of a skilled guy that loves to travel and love to work with nonprofits and this kind of thing to kind of honing that down into your, you know, your own business entity? Well, actually, that's a that's a great question, because I actually did what now I coach which is, so I have a company called Rising Tide, tide, ey, and ing, that focuses on leadership development and, and also on business strategy. Now, I've been doing facets of those in all of my work for many, many years. But I really took a step back end decided that I wanted to look at, not what I wanted to do, but what my Y was, and really think about, how could I, how could I identify my y so that that would inform my what? Because I was doing great things are not being successful, at least I felt like I was being successful. But I wasn't terribly happy doing that stuff. So and I didn't like the lifestyle of working 24/7 I wanted to travel, I wanted the flexibility, I wanted to be able to do this kind of stuff. So yeah, I, I was able to work out that I wanted to help people. And that evolved into unleashing potential. And I was able to build a business that focused on leadership development and business strategy. So that I'm unleashing the potential of the people I work with and unleashing the potential of the businesses I work with. And that just leveraged a ton of experience that I've had in previous roles and made it more focused. And for me, the answer to your question is do what you love. And you get to know yourself, get to know your wife, we can say what your wife is. And if you're doing that you find a way. And so for me running, pivoting towards running my own business, you know, it was just the drive was there, because I was inspired to do it. And it was very much in alignment with who I am as a person and what what brings me joy. So my recommendation to anyone thinking about and in the travel piece was the fact that it was like I want to be able to go and do to Dan and Alaska, I want to be able to do Costa Rica or you know, wherever I want to go with these opportunities that I get, I want the flexibility to be able to do that and be the, you know, the controller of my own destiny by running my own company meant that I could I could do that, right. So it was very intentional, and very driven, because it was really, really driven out of who I am as a person. And, and I didn't need to have a lot of people helping me because I had all the motivation in the world to find out and be curious and find out how to do it myself. So let's talk about screw ups. Let's talk about hacks. So one of my biggest hacks in in my own business that I have right now was very early on we we had very small boats, they were like 12, passenger boats, very high end. But the whole thing is we I talked and I use the word intimacy a lot too much so to where it got out in our marketing program. And without really realizing that it sounded like we were talking about sexual intimacy. And our cruises, it's a new thing. See, instead of instead of intimacy with nature, we've talked a lot about intimacy of connection and all this, then we actually had some feedback that says, you know, I think you guys are going a little far with this. And it actually kind of hurt us early on. But what what can you look back at is, you know, whether it involves travel or not what I mean, honestly, engine here, honestly, all of us in this world, what what are some of your biggest hacks? What's your biggest hack you've had in the life? Oh, look? Well, if I'm being honest, I think the two things that come to mind, I don't know, if they're very complex, they're really really simple. I do not prioritize sleep. And I am a bit of a night owl by nature. And I just didn't prioritize sleep, I didn't create a routine that allowed me to get enough sleep and that affected my productivity and mood and, you know, whatever else and I, since conquering that and prioritizing that. It's changed my life in such a positive way because I was you know, maybe getting five or six hours sleep a night, and now I get eight. And the difference is in my productivity, mental health is It's immense. It's and it's just in, particularly as you get a little bit older. We don't know, we did. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. But yeah, you don't bounce back like we used to, from a big night or from many big nights. So then even even science is like, we're not when I'm traveling and, you know, like, I, you know, you start to change behaviors a little bit and you look for the, the moments that are going to be really fulfilling, you see them in different through a different lens. So, what used to be, you know, late nights in a bar is now like Sunrise and meaningful connections and sharing wonderful experiences and wonderful views. And, and, you know, I made some great friends for example, on your the trip we did with you, because we're like minded souls, right. And it was very, very people, I still, you know, connect connected with and talk to every now and then about travel. And to me that it's just a realigning of priorities, and it was driven through, believe it or not just deciding to get more sleep and being available for daytime better, you know, that is so I mean, that is really, I mean, that is real, what you just said, I mean, I used to sail sailboats, small sailboats offshore for years. And and sleep deprivation is, like worse than anything I can imagine. I don't know how you did it. It's, it's such an it's what they use in torture, right to sleep. Yeah. Follow torture, and when we do it ourselves, and we think that, that sort of resilience is, is, is doing so much. And to me, I think resilience is about, it's looking after yourself and being healthy and being in a place to, you know, there's a balance there. And so it's not just hey, I'm going to talk my way through it. So I'm going to help my way through it, you know, I'm going to approach it completely differently. And that, to me, is a massive difference to my life. So. So, but what you know, as you look at Brian, in the US are where I am in the US, all right, which is another version, so yeah, so yeah. What's kind of what's the next I mean, you're gonna be 50 here in a couple of years. And, and that's, but that's, but I will say that turning 40 and 50 were the two big highlights of my growth. I just for some reason, I learned how to be a mentor. And I, you know, just the good thing about getting older as you get more happy with yourself. For me, anyway, now, but yeah, so So what you know, is you're looking in in Ryan's personal crystal ball. I mean, what do you what are you seeing down the road here? 510 years? Well, I said, go back to my why it's like, you know, I see myself unleashing potential, the what, in terms of how that manifests, that'll be interesting, that'll be interesting, I reserve the right to sort of, like, play that by ear, but I know, whatever I'll be doing is I'll be driven by something, if it might evolve even more, but at the moment, it's unleashed potential. So, you know, whatever that means, that'll drive my wife, but I imagine it'll be doing a, like I do now, a multitude of different things and not having, you know, diving too far into any one of those things. Because that, that balance does just really good balance. For me, in terms of being being happy, I love that. Having the, the ability to focus on a few different things at once, if I get too if I get too embedded in one of those phases, if you will, those buckets, I get a little bit sort of intense, you know, it gets a little bit too much. And I like to sort of just be able to maybe just loosen the grip on things a little bit and not be as if you forced to sort of change focus now. And then it allows you to sort of just recharge and relax and come at things with new and fresh, fresh eyes. So it you know, it's all about understanding who you are. And I think at the end of the day, my goal would be just to continue honing my understanding of myself and whatever what comes out that fits into that why then, then fantastic, you know, we're, you know, just to kind of close things out, I want to make sure you have an opportunity to let people know how they can find you and, you know, this kind of thing. So how can people contact you? I've got a lot of guests that are gonna love this podcast, I can tell you. Well, well thank you for the opportunity to do that. So my content, travel content and philosophy because I share a lot of stuff. My writing is important to me as well as the actual photos that I take and the content that I create. And I have a Ryan Which To link to everything if you want to just go there, you can find all the social handles. The other one is rising tide, Ry s ing, which is my business website. I like trying to, you know, suck the marrow out of life and understand it and improve. So it's a lot of discussions about that kind of stuff on either side, the personal loan in the US, so the professional, rising tide. So welcome anyone coming in visiting and saying hi, and connecting, that would be awesome. And yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity to be here with you down and have a great chat with you. Thank you for that chance. This has been Dan Blanchard and Ryan just chat and having a good time. I hope you all manage to feel the, you know, this the wonderful admiration we have for each other. And I think at the end of the day, you know, experiential travel, working with people, as Ryan is, you know, trying to bring growth and wonderful things is is really what it's all about. And I'm just so happy. That was Ryan Ryan was here today. So we're no ordinary adventure. I will sign off and wish you all the best of times and keep up that experiential travel. Keep growing. It's great. Thank you Thanks for listening to no ordinary adventure sharing locally harvested stories about adventure. Be sure to subscribe, leave a review, tell a friend and help spread the word. We are a community of nature lovers, intrepid travelers and outdoor adventures, mostly from the comfort of a small boat and we want to spread our love of this fascinating planet. That's it for this episode. Now get inside